Date:  Thu, 04 Aug 2005 18:56:11 -0600 

From:  Mike Wagner <Mike.Herrera@colorado.edu> 

To:  Mike_Jimenez@fws.gov, mike.wagner@colorado.edu 

Subject:  Re: Use Non Lethal Methods and PF Ranging in Sublette! 

 Jimenez,



   As expected like many of the the USFWS employees and DNRs around the

country, you are trying to play the victim.



   You may think that it isn't an effort to preach peace, but it actually is,

and one worth doing. Course many ridiculed Gandhi, MLK, and the Dahli Lama.



   You deny as always your responsibility in the death of Wolves. You try to

say I don't know anything about those I quote. Far from it. I think that falls

on you.



   Especially since they fall in your category. This is because instead of non

violence and peaceful co-existence with predators, you prefer violent

solutions. Funny how you think they apply to me when I would never support the

oppression of animals for human benefit.



      "Peace cannot be achieved through violence, it can only be attained

through understanding."-- Ralph Waldo Emerson



"If we cut up beasts simply because they cannot prevent us and because we are

backing our own side in the struggle for existence, it is only logical to cut

up imbeciles, criminals, enemies, or capitalists for the same reasons." -- C.

S. Lewis



"We have to take responsibility. Science has always thrived on war. The

greatest weapons of mass destruction were created by scientists who wanted to

be famous." -- Otacon from Metal Gear Solid



"The assumption that animals are without rights and the illusion that our

treatment of them has no moral significance is a positively outrageous example

of Western crudity and barbarity. Universal compassion is the only guarantee

of morality." -- Arthur Schopenhauer, German philosopher.



 You support oppression, war and oppression on animals and these wholly fit

you. But once again, you deny accountability for your actions and not

supporting methods that actually exist.



   You ignore reality and anything that gets in your way. Those who do non

lethal methods and PF Ranching live with Wolves all the time. They say it is

successful, but you deny it.



   It doesn't take much effort to deny something. A brush of a hand. But my

efforts for wanting peace and non violence in wolf and livestock issues is

something you can never ever try and say is bunk, because as long as those who

oppress Wolves, such as yourself exist, there will be those, like myself, who

oppose you.



   Stop murdering Wolves, and start supporting non lethal methods and Predator

Friendly Ranching!



   http://www.heartofthewolf.org/source.html



   Mike



Quoting Mike_Jimenez@fws.gov:



> Mike, You do yourself a dis-service and diminish your ability to influence

> other people by assuming everyone is wrong and you have the only perspective

> on truth. It is easy to be passionate about things that are important, but

> it's far more difficult to deal reality when it doesn't agree with your view

> of the world.  If you are interested, consider this an invitation to come to

> Wyoming and experience wolf recovery on a day-to-day basis. I think it might

> broaden your perspective. It doesn't take any real effort to be sitting

> around somewhere far away and criticize, name call, and be self-righteous. I

> would also spend more time trying to really understand all the insightful

> individuals you routinely quote.  If you are interested in visiting, let me

> know. Mike Jimenez