Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 13:11:45 -0800 (PST) From: "Mike Wagner" View Contact Details View Contact Details Add Mobile Alert Subject: Re: Rv: Re: Jimenez gives out Murder Permit To: Send an Instant Message "Adriana Guevara" , mike_jimenez@fws.gov All Ears Jimenez? Here is the methods and information you continue to deny. 'Ervin's Natural Beef is a consortium of ranchers that produces grassfed beef. Their emphasis is on humane treatment of livestock and peaceful co-existence with predators. The animals are free of pesticides, antibiotics, and synthetic hormones. The ranchers are currently applying for organic certification.' Will Holder Ervin's Grassfed Beef Phone: 928-428-0033 Fax: 928-428-0033 Site currently down. Consult the article 'Wolf Friendly Beef' below about Ervin's. http://www.ervins.com 'Wolf Friendly Beef' - http://www.acfnewsource.org/environment/wolf_friendly_beef.html ------------------ 'Predator-Friendly Wool' http://www.loe.org/archives/970110.htm#Ranching ----------------- Lamb and Wool, a Ranch dedicated to not using lethal methods against predators http://www.lambandwool.com/ ----------------- Predator Friendly Fact Sheet http://www.heartofthewolf.org/factsheet.html ---------------- 'Predator-Friendly Wool' http://www.loe.org/archives/970110.htm#Ranching ------------------ 'Some ranchers see 'predator friendly' as selling point with consumers' By BECKY BOHRER http://www.casperstartribune.net/articles/2004/07/17/news/regional/1aee40fb0504f55687256ed4005f50ec.txt ------------------- Livestock Guardian Dogs http://www.lgd.org ------------------------------------------- CMU RESEARCHERS TEST LIVESTOCK GUARD DOGS ON U.P. FARMS http://www.news.cmich.edu/archived/index.asp?path=search&id=669 --------------- Crying wolf over predator attacks http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99996428 --------------------------------- Wolves are not a threat http://www.battlecreekenquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050522/SPORT S/505220331/1006 -------------------------------------- Report: Rural Families Should Fear Dogs, Not Wolves http://www.timberwolfinformation.org/info/archieve/newspapers/viewnews.cfm?ID=2581 -------------------------------------- Shepherd finds wolf remedy in European guard dogs http://www.sooeveningnews.com/articles/2005/07/25/news/news291.txt -------------------------------------- The Anatolian Shepherd Livestock Guarding Dog Program Sponsored by the Cheetah Conservation Fund 'The Cheetah Conservation Fund's Anatolian Shepherd Livestock Guarding Dog program is a successful, innovative program that has been helping to save the wild cheetah in Namibia since 1994.' http://www.cheetah.org/?nd=46 -------------------------------------- Livestock Guardian and Farming Dogs Features Anatolian Sheperds. 'This page is dedicated to the marvelous farm working dogs. It includes herding dogs, livestock guardian dogs (LGD)' http://www.ifi-us.com/Dogs.asp ------------------------------------------ Here are books on Livestock Protecting Dogs. They have information such as how to raise them and more. Also by buying these, you will be donating to the Cheetah Conservation Fund. An organization dedicated to Predator Friendly techniques 100%. Anatolian Sheperd Dogs http://anatoliandog.org/anatolianbook-beauchamp.htm#CCF Livestock Protection Dogs Book http://anatoliandog.org/anatolianbook-lpd.htm You can lie all you want about how the proven methods and information above don't work, and ridicule those who want peace between Humans and Wolves, but it's true as above that non lethal methods and PF Ranching work. As George Orwell once said: "Political language is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind." You just prefer the easier path of destruction and corpses. You need to stop the lies, and destruction, and stop handing out murderous permits when you can take the time to educate these same ranchers about the proven information above. Mike Wagner -- Director and Founder of Heart of the Wolf Organization -- and Co-Host of Wolf Tracks http://www.heartofthewolf.org http://www.care2.com/c2c/group/TRACKS > > Adriana, > > I'm not sure how much you have followed wolf > recovery over the past 20 years, but I have tried, > experimented, researched, and published nonlethal > means for years to deal with livestock problems. I > still use nonlethal where ever it is appropriate, > but I always wonder what people are suggesting when > they quote websites about nonlethal control. What > are you referring to? All the "nonlethal" and > predator friendly ranching rhetoric that I have seen > comes from people who don't have much experience > with problem wolves. Many people who want wolves > have pushed the idea that all wolf predation can be > avoided with nonlethal means. I'm all ears if you > have experiences that I can learn from. > > Let me know what and who you are specifically > referring to. > > Mike Jimenez > > > .. Adriana .. >