Here comes the hate mail. As with anything that is factual, many who refuse to read fact and blind it with the idea of justifying atrocity come calling. Here is some hate mail that I recieved. I decided to show my replies too. Those who aren't supporting the concept that Humans can live with Wolves without murdering Wolves in livestock depredation issues are a part of the problem of the growing animosity against Wolves.
Mike
It should be noted that more of those who support Niemeyer have begun to infiltrate Care2 to try and destroy my work.
Here is another post on Care2 that proves this and of course, I replied. It should be noted that this poster has been on Care2 since 1999, has no friends on their list, and hasn't really taken action on anything for the Wild. If anything this poster doesn't really care about the Wild to begin with. She posted at the Nature Lovers group on Care2.
I have my article right here.
Robin, like many of the USFWS, have begun to infiltrate Care2 to debunk fact. Simply put Niemeyer was a Wolf Murderer. He murdered many Wolves instead of getting Humans to live peacefully with them. Those who are in the same consortium as him have tried to infiltrate Care 2 in order to sabotage my work. Three individuals have done it so far: Susannah Woodruff, Rick Hobson, and Roy Heberger.
Yestrday Heberger tried to post a comment on my article which was baseless and had no proof. The comments were all the same: I met him and he is a good person.
All these people support him and instead of reading the facts that I proved, supported his murderous days of yore. And because they were so afraid of the facts that I shown, went on to an environmental network such as Care2 in order to post false information.
Here is the original article that I created that has actual fact. And such attacks like this are being documented in response to the article so viewers can see the dastardly tactics that the USFWS is willing to do in order to hide it's true intentions.
http://www.heartofthewolf.org/NiemeyerArticleHateMail.htm
http://www.heartofthewolf.org/PMNiemeyer.htm
Mike Wagner -- Director and Founder of Heart of the
Wolf Organization -- and
Co-Host of Wolf Tracks
http://www.heartofthewolf.org
http://www.care2.com/c2c/group/TRACKS
Doug Smith.
Just because someone is 'nice' doesn't mean they are a good person. Doug Smith in his current book makes these Wolf Murderers to be like heroes, in spit of knowing their atrocities over the past 10 years. Thus he is a collaborator with these men and still promoting them this very day makes him just as bad if not worse than Ed Bangs, Carter Niemeyer, and Mike Jimenez.
Mike Wagner -- Director and Founder of Heart of the
Wolf Organization -- and
Co-Host of Wolf Tracks
http://www.heartofthewolf.org
http://www.care2.com/c2c/group/TRACKS
Mr Wagners article 7:16 AM
Mr Wagner recently wrote an article on his website on the retirement of Carter Niemeyer, USFWS, coordinator for wolf recovery in Idaho. He called him a murderer. It is obvious that Mr. Wagner has never met Carter or really knows the inside of wolf recovery. If he had, he would know that many wolves were saved by Carter by his ability to work with both wolf supporters and ranchers. "Shoot, shovel and shut up" would have taken far more of them if not for Carter's ability to talk with the ranchers and outfitters and gain their trust. When he had to kill the Whitehawk pack, it was a decision that greatly disturbed him. I, like many of you, do not like it that wolves have to taken out, but if you want wolves in the wild again, some compromises must be made. Mr. Wagner disparages Doug Smith, who is one of the kindest, gentlest men I know. He obviously doesn't know him either. In the past eight years, I have gotten to know the folks on all sides of the issue out there working on a daily basis trying to keep them in the wild. Until you step into their shoes, it does only harm to call them murderers and traitors. How would you like being called that? How would you like it if you and your family were threatened, as some of the folks involved have been? If you have compassion for wolves, but do not have compassion for all involved, is it really compassion? Life is not black and white, but many colors and patterns. Before you decide on an issue, read, read, investigate, and then decide. I do not know Mr. Wagner's background, but today I will get on his website and learn more about him before I decide what I think of his views. I do know and respect Carter Niemeyer, and I am proud to know him. I wish him a fulfilling and peaceful retirement.
Robin M. - former president of a Northern Rockies wolf recovery support organization
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 20:22:48 -0800 (PST)
From: "Mike Wagner" <mike@heartofthewolf.org> Mobile Alert
Subject: Re: Carter Niemeyer
To: "Rick Hobson" <Onward@cableone.net>
Rick
Not really. You just didn't as usual read anything I had to say, nor the
facts that backed it up. Simply put, you support a Wolf Murderer. Just
because the environment socially is bad doesn't mean you have
to be a part of the problem. It would have been just the same in the 60s
supporting racism, rather than doing something about it. People can
justify just about anything, and that is what you are doing. Justifying
his atrocities.
I have written to him many times, and his constant refusal
to using non lethal methods and PF Ranching were apparent
which again I guess you didn't read that part. A man who refuses
to make a stand against atrocity and willing to partake in it is a monster.
By supporting such monsters, you are not working for wolf recovery.
Wolf recovery doesn't constitute blasting animals when we can live
with them. Even this week an article came out about the hatred
of Wolves still present in Idaho. I am working for a world where Humans
must co-exist with other live in Peace.
My article is factual and correct. If you refuse to believe it and support
atrocity that is your choice, but don't say you support Wolves if you
are willing to sell them out.
Mike Wagner -- Director and Founder of Heart of the
Wolf Organization -- and Co-Host of Wolf Tracks
http://www.heartofthewolf.org
http://www.care2.com/c2c/group/TRACKS
Rick Hobson <Onward@cableone.net> wrote:
Mike-
Wanted to drop you a note and let you know that I thought your comments
about Carter Niemeyer were way off-base. If you consider the political
thoughts on wolves in my rather conservative state of Idaho, you would
discover that Carter was pretty rational and realistic when it came to
wolves.
Certainly many of his actions were controversial, and there was a time
when I felt just the same way about him as you. We have to remember
though that the actions he is held accountable for were decided upon by
others.
1) I met him, and had a chance to hear what he had to say.
2) I live in Idaho, and have done so long enough to know that Carter's
opinions about wolves -are indeed- rational and reasonable for this day
and age, especially given the other opinions out there.
3) I had the chance to get to know wolves, having worked for the Wolf
Education and Research Center for several years, and understand that
they're predators, and predators do what predators do. Given that
wolves can easily traverse hundreds of miles, it's only a matter of time
until some run afoul of humans, or worse become habituated to humans at
the fringes of their ranges and we get situations such as the recent
human death in Canada.
4) Because of this, I came to realize that there would need to be
controls on the wolf population other than non-human "natural
selection,' just as there are controls on every other large predator in
the state. I would rather that the Federal government have this role
rather than private individuals such as Ron Gillette or Tim Sundles.
I've worked long and hard to support wolf reintroduction and recovery,
and will continue to do so.
Good luck to you, and do continue to support wolves.
-Rick Hobson
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It should be also noted that Heberger is the second of the USFWS to try and infiltrate Care2
to try and sabotage my efforts. He tried to post his baseless comments on Care2. So I deleted them.
Mike
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 20:33:43 -0800 (PST)
From: "Mike Wagner" <mike@heartofthewolf.org> View Contact Details View Contact Details Add Mobile Alert
Subject: Re: Mike Wagner's Missive -- Carter Niemeyer, the Wolf Murderer Reties
To: HarpsHeb@aol.com
Dear Roy Heberger,
Relative to your response, I would have to say, I am not impressed either.
I actually have proof to what I am saying, and all you have are baseless opinions that justify murder of Wolves.
No, it isn't emotion that drives me, like your letter, it is the fact that Wolves do not have to be murdered to peacefully live with them. It is proven time and time again. Even science proves this, as I have even listed on my site. If you called that non subjectivity, that is the eptiome of what you are. Your blind obedience to Niemeyer, rather than reading fact leads to a lack of subjectivity.
Since you obviously fail to read proof of what goes on in Wolf Recovery, it shows the lack of knowledge you possess. So Carter has degrees, so did Mengele, and other Nazi Scientists. Degrees are not the basis for character or knowledge. Especially since a so-called expert like Niemeyer constantly avoided the same proof in my article that shows that humans can live with Wolves without killing them in livestock depredation incidents. Someone who intentionally ignores factual evidence isn't an expert, but someone who promotes ignorance.
And you justify him murdering Wolves by the fact that a small percentage of Wolves are in Idaho. I find it also humourous that you find my words insulting considering that he was a sociopath when it came to murdering Wolves. It's ok in your opinion since they aren't human. Wolves aren't better off before Niemeyer came into power than before. Wolves are still being murdered by your consortium rather than teaching humans to live in peace with them.
You can herald a murderer like Niemeyer all you want, but you and your group are alike since you all promote murdering Wolves and thinking that everything else is a success because of that.
You should be ashamed of yourself, and your misguided values.
Mike Wagner -- Director and Founder of Heart of the
Wolf Organization -- and Co-Host of Wolf Tracks
http://www.heartofthewolf.org
http://www.care2.com/c2c/group/TRACKS
HarpsHeb@aol.com wrote:
Dear Mr. Wagner;
Relative to your subject missive, except for the on-line, library work, I'm not impressed. I don't think you fully appreciate what has been accomplished in so short a time with respect to wolf recovery in Idaho.
Obviously you have strong feelings on the subject of wolves, and we've learned as our society has matured that feelings can not be denied. It is unfortunate that these feelings -- or emotions if you would prefer -- tend to get in the way of solid, objective thinking. That is, the subjectivity involved tends to get in the way.
Your strongly-voiced feelings are at the opposite end of the spectrum from those who hate wolves, whose feelings are just as strong as yours and perhaps just as misinformed as to the science, the sociology, and even the politics of wolf recovery.
You falsely accuse Mr. Niemeyer of not bringing about recovery of wolves in the Central Idaho Wolf Recovery Area -- his charge in the last five years. Your accusation flies in the face of observed reality and does not consider the federal regulation under which recovery was allowed to proceed pursuant to the Endangered Species Act.
Just so you know, biologists do go through rigorous, formal training that involves not just biology, but physiology, ecology, chemistry, physics, and maybe not quite enough of the social sciences, which may help them to better deal with people who tend to shoot from the hip. I know that Mr. Niemeyer has not one, but two degrees from a prestigious University in the mid west. With the experience he gained after university, he came to the job well prepared. I don't know your training.
Unlike medical doctors, biologists are taught to look at the world mostly at the level of populations (i.e., wolves, bears, coyotes, squirrels, etc.) and communities, not at the level of the individual. Is the population within a certain community healthy? That is a very basic biological/ecological question. In the case of wolves in Idaho, I suspect the answer is yes.
Sociologically, there is still a very long way to go when we humans think of predators -- even as I type this. As a society there is a very strong bias against predators. It is a scientifically unfounded bias as Odum well demonstrated a generation ago in his text book, Ecology. But the final rule took this and human nature into account when its authors realized that something had to give in order to bring about the reintroduction and timely recovery of wolves in the northern US Rockies. That consideration may be what you really dislike...not that Mr. Niemeyer did his job.
Like it or not however, that final rule was judged consistent with the Endangered Species Act several times in Federal Court. In my humble view, Mr. Niemeyer has conducted himself very professionally, following the requirements of the final rule and those of the ESA during his tenure as Idaho Wolf Recovery Coordinator.
I know I can say this with some authority. I was the Idaho Wolf Recovery Coordinator from 1995 to 2000.
Your words were harsh, rather unsophisticated, and without biological substance.
My thanks go to Mr. Niemeyer and the able staff at the Nez Perce Tribe for all of their efforts in wolf recovery. What an example of threatened/endangered species recovery the wolf in Idaho is!
Roy Heberger
Fish and Wildlife Service -- Retired
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